[Aaus-list] That Strilkove Gas Plant ???

Bohdan Pechenyak znak25 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 17 19:52:16 EDT 2014


Sorry for the multiple e-mails, I should have included this in the previous
one:

The article on the village of Strilkove on Ukrainian wikipedia says that
there is a compression station near the village, part of the gas line
Strilkove-Dzhankoy-Simferopol, consistent with the other article I cited.

Село розташоване в північній частині коси Арабатська
стрілка<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%B0>
на
межі з Автономною Республікою
Крим<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BC>,
є найпівденнішим населеним пунктом області. Село є курортом на
узбережжі Азовського
моря<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5>
та
має значну кількість пансіонатів і баз відпочинку. На південь від села
знаходитьсяСтрілкове газове
родовище<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5>
на
шельфі Азовського моря, поруч із селом знаходиться компресорна
станція<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%96%D1%8F>
на
газопроводі «Стрілкове—Джанкой—Сімферополь»
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стрілкове

And the description of what a "compression station" is.
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Компресорна_станція

Would it be immediately obvious on Google Maps? Not so sure. The
"Strilkove" article on Wikipedia also has a picture of the pumping gas
station in the village. It's a minor thing, it seems. Perhaps they
emphasized it to make a bigger splash - that's PR technique for you. But
why would they make it up altogether? That doesn't seem necessary to me.
The point is that Russian military CROSSED over from Crimea into a
different region of Ukraine. THAT IN ITSELF is the problem, not so much the
gas station.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Bohdan Pechenyak <znak25 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, it's just a bit premature to suspect there is NO gas plant there at
> all, basing conclusions on Google Maps alone. How accurate do you think
> Google Maps are in the area of Strilkove? For example, while Google Maps is
> excellent in the U.S., until very recently it was terrible in many places
> abroad. I remember very recently L'viv itself was very badly mapped and the
> quality of images was substandard.
>
> So, I guess that makes me a bit skeptical of Google Maps as a tool in this
> instance.
>
> Did you do a general search for the gas plant? For example there is this
> information about a natural gas reserves at Strilkove:
>
> Запаси газу<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7> початкові
> видобувні категорій А+В+С1 — 3085 млн. м³. Родовище перебуває на стадії
> стабільно падаючого видобутку з постійним фондом експлуатаційних
> свердловин. Всього видобуто 1662 млн. м³ газу<https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B7> (53,8%
> від початкових запасів). Обсяг відбору газу залежить від тиску в
> газопроводі Стрілка-Джанкой-Сімферополь.
> https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Стрілкове_газове_родовище
>
> I'm no expert on gas and its infrastructure, to be sure, but neither are
> you, I believe. Why do you think the infrastructure MUST be obvious? Maybe
> you simply did not locate it or where looking in the wrong place? I mean,
> there are a number of possibilities here, so it just seems a bit paranoid
> to raise such questions and doubt before doing a thorough check. It just
> becomes a distraction. Don't you think that the Ukrainian journalists are
> capable of checking such elementary facts?
>
> That's all, no ruckus, rumpus or otherwise. Let's just take care with
> raising such questions, because it creates unnecessary noise. A few more
> strokes of keyboard could void the need to raise the question in the first
> place.
>
> I guess my reaction is based on the fact that there is WAY too much
> information these days and I am trying to avoid that which is useless or
> unnecessary. That's why EACH OF US should exercise utmost judgment and care
> in our communications.
>
> Anyway, no bad feelings.
>
> Vsioho dobroho,
> Bohdan.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Max Pyziur <pyz at brama.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2014, Bohdan Pechenyak wrote:
>>
>>  Are you KIDDING me? Google maps is your "tool", and your inability to
>>> come up with "anything that looks like" what you are looking for - evidence
>>> for lack
>>> thereof? Give me a break, PLEASE...
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Answers? Suggestions? Speculations?
>>>
>>>
>> What's the rumpus?
>>
>> Yeah, Google Maps. The satelitte imagery varies, but it's relatively easy
>> to pick out infrastructure.
>>
>> You  reminded me that there is another tool - Wikimapia - that uses
>> Google's satellite imagery and then uses its own overlays to describe the
>> landscape. In the case of Strilkove, it's a bunch of camping grounds and
>> resorts (some of them labelled in German, oddly). I can't find anything
>> that looks like a gas plant.
>>
>> And since, the news source is from Ukraine, I'd like to know if it is
>> authentic.
>>
>>
>> MP
>
>
>
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