[Aaus-list] Democracy Now Transcript: Who Is Provoking the Unrest in Ukraine? A Debate on Role of Russia, United States in Regional Crisis

[Max Pyziur]

Democracy Now Transcript: Who Is Provoking the Unrest in Ukraine? A Debate 
on Role of Russia, United States in Regional Crisis
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/3/who_is_provoking_the_unrest_in

Democracy Now transcript with Amy Goodman moderating in a not particularly 
collegial discussion with Timothy Snyder and Ray McGovern, a retired CIA 
analyst.

To introduce Ray McGovern, as described by Amy Goodman, "He was an analyst 
of Russian foreign policy for the first decade of his 27-year career with 
the agency. His later duties included preparing the President’s Daily 
Brief and chairing National Intelligence Estimates. McGovern is now on the 
Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He 
recently wrote an article for Consortium News called "Ukraine: One 'Regime 
Change' Too Many?'"


Tim Snyder from part of the transcript:
"I would draw attention to the basic fact that Ukraine and Russia are 
different countries. Americans and Canadians have a lot in common, a lot 
of Americans and Mexicans have a lot in common, but that doesn’t mean that 
we start speaking about frontier zones. We know what borders are. It 
doesn’t mean that we start speaking about the interests of 
English-speaking people in Canada or Spanish-speaking people in Mexico, 
then claim we have a right to invade, or vice versa. Ukraine is a 
sovereign state. Russia's direct military interest in Ukraine is its base 
in Crimea. That base is secured by international treaty until 2042. One of 
the provisions of that treaty is that Russian forces are not to move 
beyond the borders of that base, which they have now done. That’s one more 
agreement that they violated."

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