[Aaus-list] Vice News DPR documentary

stephen velychenko velychen at chass.utoronto.ca
Wed Oct 15 01:31:46 EDT 2014

absolutely agree with Andrew Sorokowski.
EXCEPT remember WHO controlled Donbass last 20 years and that they
reinvested their profits in the "west" they hate so much and not there
-- except for stadiums and shopping centres (pane et circe).

On 10/14/14, Roman Solchanyk <roman at solchanyk.org> wrote:
> Indeed, probably more could have been done in the socio-economic sphere
> during the 20+ years of Ukraine's independence.  But is that the main
> problem?  Does a higher proportion of alcoholics in Kramatorsk as compared
> to Sambir lead to greater support for separatism?  I think not.  The damage
> had already been done during decades of Soviet rule.  I remember well how
> Gorbachev was greeted in Donetsk in 1989 or 1990--e.g., Gorby asks the crowd
> something about the Ukr. language.  The response?  "I'll speak Ukrainian if
> it reduces the price of kolbasa."  Everyone thinks this is hugely amusing,
> has a good laugh.
> Where Kyiv (politicians and some "public intellectuals") is clearly at fault
> is making believe that there is no "ideological" (for lack of a better term)
> problem in the east and south or outright denying it  (cf. the discussion of
> "two Ukraines.").  How many times over the years have you heard that all of
> this separatism business is "shtuchne?"
> ________________________________
>  From: "Sorokowski, Andrew (ENRD)" <Andrew.Sorokowski at usdoj.gov>
> To: Roman Solchanyk <roman at solchanyk.org>; Max Pyziur <pyz at brama.com>;
> "aaus-list at ukrainianstudies.org" <aaus-list at ukrainianstudies.org>
> Cc: "politics at brama.com" <politics at brama.com>;
> "vote2012 at ukrainianstudies.org" <vote2012 at ukrainianstudies.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [Aaus-list] Vice News DPR documentary
> True, I suppose, though the term "this bio-mass" has disturbing overtones
> ("human material," etc.). Moreover, this reminds me of how we American
> northerners view the South and its "rednecks." I wonder how much of that
> stupidity is a result of poor education, poverty, unemployment, alcoholism
> and malnutrition (and their effects on offspring), a toxic environment, etc.
> The well-fed bourgeois liberal of New York and the well-fed bourgeois
> patriot of Kyiv despise the "element" their policies have allowed to develop
> in places like, respectively, Mississippi or the Donbas. Maybe they should
> instead share some of the benefits they've had in terms of hygiene,
> education, employment, social infrastructure, etc. If Kyiv had paid more
> attention to the southeast, Russia might not have found it so easy to find a
> mass of social discontents ready to take up arms for its cause.
> AS
> From:AAUS-list [mailto:aaus-list-bounces at ukrainianstudies.org] On Behalf Of
> Roman Solchanyk
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 5:54 PM
> To: Max Pyziur; aaus-list at ukrainianstudies.org
> Cc: politics at brama.com; vote2012 at ukrainianstudies.org
> Subject: Re: [Aaus-list] Vice News DPR documentary
> The video confirms what some of us have been saying for a long time:  The
> narod of Donbas evidences that amazing condition of mass
> stupidity--stupidity, in the sense of just plain dumb, dull, something like
> "low information" people here in the US and A--and low-life thuggery.
> Witness (at around the 12th minute), for example, one of the terrorist
> leaders interrogating a young man because of his collection of pro-Ukrainian
> stickers.  He says something like this:  "If you are a collector, as you
> claim, then why do you have so many of these stickers?"  There are no words.
> Sorry.  With this bio-mass one can neither build a nation nor sustain a
> state.
> ________________________________
> From:Max Pyziur <pyz at brama.com>
> To: aaus-list at ukrainianstudies.org
> Cc: politics at brama.com; vote2012 at ukrainianstudies.org
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 7:34 AM
> Subject: [Aaus-list] Vice News DPR documentary
> Vice News DPR documentary
> https://news.vice.com/video/the-donetsk-peoples-republic
> fyi,
> MP
> pyz at brama.com
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Stephen Velychenko
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Chair of Ukrainian Studies
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